Nutrient Help

[REY1424]

In Soil, What Nutrients work the best: GH , Advanced Nurtients, or Fox Farm?

[Medi-1]

none...Green Planet....lol...dont matter, Advanced is way over priced. fox farms is strong and salts easily and GH to me is week.,
i used to use Pure Blend Pro, now im with Green Planet and if medical you get 20% off.

heres a temp site for it....http://igreenplanetstore.com/index.php

[fire]

do you use any additives with the medi-one? sweeteners, cal-mg, lk?

[Medi-1]

to be honest the only time you would need cal is in coco. our tap has has enough in it, the coco cant process calcium as the others do.
ive juist started this new Medi0One. it was just rel;eased on the market this weekend. right now im the only one that has it anywhere..other than the free samples we gave away at the toronto expo.
now that the release is over with i can say theat Dr Hornby has been testing and working on this product for about 1 and a half years now and its beaten any other 1 part out there...we have hit 32%THC,..organic...1 bottle. yes you can improve the results by using the additives but it isnt necessary. we are working on an all natural bloom additve to follow. i believe our bio-chemist is working on that now.
you relay dont need others...we have it all in 1 bottle.

[hysterix]

As long as you don't use advanced you are all good.

You can literally grow with any of them man. I worked at a hydro store for a while and believe me, they all work! GH, fox farm, botanicare, sva & svb, house & garden etc. Since you are in soil, you'd generally cut the strength of whatever you'd normally do in hydro by half, or follow the charts they have online for gh or house & garden and cut the nutes amount in half.

I've personally grown with general hydro flora series, general hydro flora nova series, botanicare, and house & garden. There are differences between them, for instance house & garden is probably the cleanest nutrients I have ever run across, they just won't clog lines (if you use drip clean too of course).

The general hydro flora series is a classic, and the general hydro flora nova series is nice because you do not need to ph balance!

They all have advantages and disadvantages but remember, THEY ALL WORK. Again, don't buy advanced nutrients, they are over priced hype and I always saw bottles coming in half full, missing caps, leaking etc.

I found out that advanced nutrients hand bottles where as most companies use machines to bottle. Do not buy from advanced nutrients and you will be all good.

Advanced is a sham, for the longest time if you followed the nutrient calculator they had on their own site with their own nutrients, you'd over nute all your plants and kill them. Only recently did they lower the ppm a little bit but it still is too much. Advanced feeding chart and general hydro's feeding chart both will lead you to success if you follow them.

[hysterix]

to be honest the only time you would need cal is in coco. our tap has has enough in it, the coco cant process calcium as the others do.... yes you can improve the results by using the additives but it isnt necessary. we are working on an all natural bloom additve to follow. i believe our bio-chemist is working on that now.
you relay dont need others...we have it all in 1 bottle.

Medi-1 I'm not sure about the first part of your post. The minerals that are found in the tap water are not in the same form that the minerals are found in purified nutrients such as cal-mag or whatever. I have very hard water, around 300 ppm straight out of the tap, but most of those ppm's are not able to be uptake by the plant.

The plants don't uptake nearly the amount of calcium or magnesium found in tap water that they need (I'm blabbing about hydro now). I saw an astounding difference with the same plants when I switched to r.o. water and needed to add back in more cal-mag.

I had a very long discussion with a chemist about this, and pretty much the calcium and magnesium found in tap is not the correct form for plants to uptake. They can only uptake very tiny amounts of it, and if you do not supplement back with cal-mag, (at least I find in my area with my strain), they become deficient. In fact, the chemist pointed out to me, that (in my tap water for example), this 300 ppm of 'rogue nutrients' we shall call them, actually interfere with the uptake of other nutrients!!! (bad!)

Have you ever done a nute mix with tap water and noticed precipitate created? I have, many times actually. That is partially the tap water nutrients interacting at a molecular level with the purified nutrients and precipitating them into a solid substance. In other words, the plant can't uptake anymore because the 'chunks' of nutrients are now too large.

What you said earlier that additives are not necessary is true, but again this plant will grow in cracks in the side-walk if we let it! We are trying to get the best of the best out of the plant we possibly can, and that involves filtering with ro and 'adding back' calcium and magnesium. (but its not adding back because again, it wasn't in the correct form for the plants to uptake originally).

I'm sure all of this depends on region as well, but just know where I'm from, ro water make a big positive difference!

This is a point swerve and I slightly disagree on and talk about all the time

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for me i think if you dont know whats in your water shame on you. that being said i think if you dont know whats not in your water shame on you as well. municipal water is typically chlorinated and therefor should be considered dead water. likewise ro water is dead water as all microbes have been filtered from this water. Well water and rain water or stream water are all sources of live microbe rich water. the resulting ppms of this water can be a hindrance and not all sources are good. For hydro it is harder to stay organic so the microbes are not as important in processing the nutrients. In soil or other soiless mixes these microbes are all important. It is quite easy to get a test done on your water so anyone should get their water tested. If you are using salt based nutrients i think ro water would be best,although most expensive as you need more ferts to overcome ro's caustic nature. If you go organic I think ro water is a poor choice. most organic fertilizers are not in a form redly uptook by plants, its the microbes that process the nutrients and make it so the plants can easily absorb what they need. leaf

[hysterix]

If you are growing outdoor, yeah probably would not use ro water, you probably would have access to a stream or a well or something.

ro is mainly for the indoor grower, growing in a city where you know the water is bad. There is chlorine and chloramine in my tap water, along with a variety of other things. Leaving standing tap water out 24 hours is not sufficient enough to break the chloramine bond; also a carbon filter is not enough to rid the chloramine. And that is not even talking about the interaction between the purified nutrients and the tap water nutrients! The chloramine alone is enough to want to get me to switch over.

About microbes, I agree with you, but as I said, the amount of chlorine and chloramine in my tap water would make any microbes dead anyway. I am a hydro grower using non-organic salt based nutes and I am adding back enzymes and microbes to the plants. This is only possible and useful when there is no chlorine or chloramine in the water!

Where I live, in order to use microbes and enzymes effectively, I must use ro water, else the chlorine would kill it anyway! Regardless if you are using hydro, soil, organic, or in-organic nutrients.

I can say all this because I used to grow for years without using ro, and after I've switched, it's only been better! Sure you need to use more cal-mag, but as I said, if you want to grow the best of the best you must use ro! If you don't mind growing stuff that will never be the top in it's class, stick with tap!

The grow I have posted here is using tap because it's a new room and I can't afford the big ro system I want! My other sensi grow is using ro and has been for the last few rounds and I can tell you 100% they look better than they did when I was using tap water.

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glad i have a well for my indoor organic grow. I really prefer an organic grow but I understand in an area with terrible water ro would be your best bet especially with salt based nutrients. why do you bother adding microbes to your salt based grow? The nutrients are already in there most redly uptook form in salt based ferts, while in organics the microbes break down the nutrients to aid in uptake. Also the saline nature of the salt based nutes is not conducive to their survival. Just curious.

In my opinion if you want the best of the best weed go with organics and a natural source of water. If you must use salt based organics and a crappy water supply im sure the best you can do is to ro your water first. Thank goodness we have systems like ro's that can help overcome obstacles like poor water quality. But an alternative water supply is something people should think about, considering the cost of an ro system to both operate and purchase as well as the environmental impact as these systems are huge water wasters.

[Medi-1]

man i been slakin here...

ok ya we need to ph everything...why not..you think we have the same water as the co has...not. for all those that claim no need to ph they are whack..no offence. i also work for a nute co..this is a fact not stoner guessing. id like to see someone feed without it using true organics...


and ya i posted about the calcium in water in the ro thread...yes it isnt good cal but we dont need harldy any. and adding a supp is still bloked by the bad form of calcium so we still dont get the cal....sales pitches. dont need it till we are in coco. or have a disease...calcium will repair health issues to.
yes we also have a filter that does remove the chloramine form tap water and chlorine is gone in 24 hour on its own.

and again adding bottle cal is still mostly blocked by the tap cal..im a bit more concerned about the environment to use a ro system that send more water to waste than it makes clean. this new one im talking about dosnet do that and removes alot of poo.